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he joins us from lansing. he knows this stuff in and out. mark, thanks so much for being here in "the war room" on this sad and infuriating night. >> thank you governor. it is great to be with you as always. >> jennifer: all right. tell us what does the success of these bills mean for the democratic party in michigan? >> certainly the intent of the republicans is that this be a mechanism to defund, to hurt money that goes to the democratic party. we've obtained rid of videotapes of ron wiser and others talking about this governor. >> jennifer: tell people who ron wiser is. >> ron wiser is the former chair of the republican party here. rich is the dnc finance chair. he along with your former opponent, dick devos and other rich folks have been planning this for years. they couldn't get away with it while you were governor but they saw their opportunity here. they don't talk about worker's rights and choice. they talk about how can we hurt the labor movement and hurt the democratic party. that's their goal here. >> jennifer: all right. so let's
he joins us from lansing. he knows this stuff in and out. mark, thanks so much for being here in "the war room" on this sad and infuriating night. >> thank you governor. it is great to be with you as always. >> jennifer: all right. tell us what does the success of these bills mean for the democratic party in michigan? >> certainly the intent of the republicans is that this be a mechanism to defund, to hurt money that goes to the democratic party. we've obtained rid...
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from lansing. welcome back inside "the war room". >> thank you jennifer. good to be with you. >> you were one of the ones who was locked out of the capitol today. has that ever happened to you before? >> no. it hasn't. pretty unbelievable. i don't know it's happened in michigan before. >> if everybody was locked out today and the court ruled the building has to be opened will people be coming back on tuesday for the completion of this act? >> oh, yeah. there will be a big turnout of working people working families on tuesday. >> tell people what this whether mean for the uaw if this passes >> it's more what it means for the citizens of michigan right to work states have lower wages, great he were income disparity t funding for public education. all of these negatives for the citizens of michigan that's what right to work brings to a state. it does not bring economic prosperity. i have heard the governor and some others say, well indians is getting a lot of jobs. that was only february they passed i
from lansing. welcome back inside "the war room". >> thank you jennifer. good to be with you. >> you were one of the ones who was locked out of the capitol today. has that ever happened to you before? >> no. it hasn't. pretty unbelievable. i don't know it's happened in michigan before. >> if everybody was locked out today and the court ruled the building has to be opened will people be coming back on tuesday for the completion of this act? >> oh, yeah....
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republican state senator tonya schuitmaker joins us from lansing. senator, how, tell us -- >> good morning. >> good morning to you. in your opinion, how would this make michigan's economy improve? >> well, this will certainly make michigan's economy improve, if you look at other right to work states, they have, take indiana for example they have 74 new projects since they got their right to work law on the books and if you look at our competitors we're losing jobs to those right to work stalts and as states and as a mom i want to keep my children in michigan and this is incumbent in terms of job growth. >> if it has merit why not go through the normal legislative process with the folks elected in november? >> this has been a discussion ongoing. i know when i ran for the senate two years ago i was asked substantially on the campaign trail about this, and this has been the discussion in fact in senate bill 116, one of the bills we are talking about right now, that was introduced at the beginning of the term, so this has been a discussion that has been
republican state senator tonya schuitmaker joins us from lansing. senator, how, tell us -- >> good morning. >> good morning to you. in your opinion, how would this make michigan's economy improve? >> well, this will certainly make michigan's economy improve, if you look at other right to work states, they have, take indiana for example they have 74 new projects since they got their right to work law on the books and if you look at our competitors we're losing jobs to those...
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cnn's alison kosik joins us live from lansing, michigan. alison, i know this was a surprise to some in michigan because governor rick snyder did a bit of an about face on this issue. >> reporter: and some are accusing the governor of really pushing this issue through the state house, and clearly they're not happy with it. you can see how unhappy those opposed to this bill are, just looking at the sheer number of demonstrators who came out last week and are expected to come out this week. thousands are expected to come out between today and tomorrow. president of one teachers union who we spoke with put it this way. she said, you know what, never in a million years did i ever think that michigan would ever become a right to work state, that michigan was built on unions, and you know what, she has a point there. unions have really been the backbone for workers in this state, especially when you look at the auto industry. 17.5% of the workers in this state are unionized. it's one of the highest rates in the country. and if this law passes, ted
cnn's alison kosik joins us live from lansing, michigan. alison, i know this was a surprise to some in michigan because governor rick snyder did a bit of an about face on this issue. >> reporter: and some are accusing the governor of really pushing this issue through the state house, and clearly they're not happy with it. you can see how unhappy those opposed to this bill are, just looking at the sheer number of demonstrators who came out last week and are expected to come out this week....
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he joins us now from lansing, the state capitol. so what do you say to the president, governor, who says this you are basically trying to bring down wages for working people in michigan? >> that's not true at all. if you look at he made the comment about bargaining for wangs. about bringing down wages. this legislation is about freedom to choose for workers, bill. this isn't about the relationship between employers and unions at all. this is not about collective bargaining at all. this is not about other basics, about organizing at all. this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be weaker but why would t
he joins us now from lansing, the state capitol. so what do you say to the president, governor, who says this you are basically trying to bring down wages for working people in michigan? >> that's not true at all. if you look at he made the comment about bargaining for wangs. about bringing down wages. this legislation is about freedom to choose for workers, bill. this isn't about the relationship between employers and unions at all. this is not about collective bargaining at all. this is...
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he joins us now from lansing, the state capitol. so what do you say to the president, governor, who says this you are basically trying to bring down wages for working people in michigan? >> that's not true at all. if you look at he made the comment about bargaining for wangs. about bringing down wages. this legislation is about freedom to choose for workers, bill. this isn't about the relationship between employers and unions at all. this is not about collective bargaining at all. this is not about other basics, about organizing at all. this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be weaker but why would t
he joins us now from lansing, the state capitol. so what do you say to the president, governor, who says this you are basically trying to bring down wages for working people in michigan? >> that's not true at all. if you look at he made the comment about bargaining for wangs. about bringing down wages. this legislation is about freedom to choose for workers, bill. this isn't about the relationship between employers and unions at all. this is not about collective bargaining at all. this is...
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the governor joining us now from lansing. i know you are busy, seen the video all day, questions on what the law and what it is not, and the president weighed in on his version and i'll play what he says and want your reaction to it. >> what we shouldn't do, i just got to say this, what we shouldn't be doing is taking away your rights to bargain for better wages and working conditions. david: "trying to take away your rights to bargain" is what what the bill is? >> not at all. it has nothing to do with collective bargaining. i believe in collective bargaining. this is about worker freedom, the union and workers, and this is a situation in which we're giving workers better freedom to choose than not have their dollars go to the union if they don't see value. in fact, i don't view it as anti-union, but the unions to accept up and why they add values to workers when workers see the value, sign up, and if you don't, hopefully unions are more responsive. secondly, it brings jobs to michigan, more and better jobs to the state. davi
the governor joining us now from lansing. i know you are busy, seen the video all day, questions on what the law and what it is not, and the president weighed in on his version and i'll play what he says and want your reaction to it. >> what we shouldn't do, i just got to say this, what we shouldn't be doing is taking away your rights to bargain for better wages and working conditions. david: "trying to take away your rights to bargain" is what what the bill is? >> not at...
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other side, no understanding of what's important in it. >> poppy harlow joins us now from lansing. how damaging is this for unions? >> reporter: well, good morning, d don. if you ask the unions, they will tell you this could be extremely damaging to not just the unions, but they say to all of michigan, to all of the workers. that is their perspective. very different from those who support a right to work state. let's break this down for our viewers. what is right to work? in the state of michigan, no union and no employer together could mandate that an employee be part of the union or pay any amount of money to that union. right now, if you work at ford, general motors, chrysler on the line, you've got to be part of the uaw, part of the united auto workers. this would not only affect public sector workers like teachers but those private sector workers like auto workers. three bills passed, two in the senate last night, one in the house. the governor, rick schneider, very supportive of this legislation. it's expected to be taken up here again at the state capitol on tuesday. i want
other side, no understanding of what's important in it. >> poppy harlow joins us now from lansing. how damaging is this for unions? >> reporter: well, good morning, d don. if you ask the unions, they will tell you this could be extremely damaging to not just the unions, but they say to all of michigan, to all of the workers. that is their perspective. very different from those who support a right to work state. let's break this down for our viewers. what is right to work? in the...
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joining us now from lansing, michigan, the republican governor of michigan, governor rick snyder. the issue at hand, the lead story, and that's the right-to-work legislation. you say it's going to lead to more and better jobs for people in the state of michigan. how? >> well, it will. if you look at -- you just need to look to indiana which passed similar legislation back in february. and the track record's clear. they've had a lot of companies come to indiana and making that one of their decisions to look to indiana. in fact, they've had 31 different companies accept offers from the indiana economic development corporation since that time that are accounting for thousands of jobs. so it's clear that companies are now coming to indiana that previously didn't have them on the list. so it will lead to more and better jobs, and that will happen here in michigan as well. but this legislation was primarily about being pro-worker, about giving workers freedom of choice. but the second added benefit is this jobs effect. >> i'm not sure they're going to appeal that way. >> governor, you h
joining us now from lansing, michigan, the republican governor of michigan, governor rick snyder. the issue at hand, the lead story, and that's the right-to-work legislation. you say it's going to lead to more and better jobs for people in the state of michigan. how? >> well, it will. if you look at -- you just need to look to indiana which passed similar legislation back in february. and the track record's clear. they've had a lot of companies come to indiana and making that one of their...
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let's ask michigan state house speaker who joins us live from lansing. are you concerned, mr. speaker, about a backlash? >> good morning, brian. that rhetoric is wholey unfortunate, it's inappropriate with those actions were. i don't believe that representative, either of the good people in michigan, as you saw those protests, we know that many protesters were literally trucked in from out of state. so we don't know whether that violence and those actions were even michigan people doing that. what we did see and what bothered me most were union leaders and democrat leaders referring to michigan's hard workers as free loaders. that's what i think is most inappropriate. michigan workers get up every day to literally build, grow and make michigan a fantastic state. they deserve much better respect than that. >> brian: there was a referendum on the ballot to make michigan a permanent union state. how did that go? >> it was overwhelmingly rejected by the voters of our state. it was an overreach and i think the voters spoke very clearly against putting that in our state constitution
let's ask michigan state house speaker who joins us live from lansing. are you concerned, mr. speaker, about a backlash? >> good morning, brian. that rhetoric is wholey unfortunate, it's inappropriate with those actions were. i don't believe that representative, either of the good people in michigan, as you saw those protests, we know that many protesters were literally trucked in from out of state. so we don't know whether that violence and those actions were even michigan people doing...
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they can look at legal remedies and look to the next election >>shepard: that is live from lansing. not one worker from europe's biggest bank, hsbc, will far us a criminal charge after they were accuses of failing to guard against terrorists, tax cheat and drug cartels but agreed to pay a record $1.9 billion fine to settle the case. that probably won't hurt this bank at all. last quarter, they reported $2.5 billion in net profit. according to the treasury, the failure to police transactions allowed hundreds of millions of dollars in drug money from mexican cartels to flow into the united states. the feds report the bank broke finance laws when they did business with iran and libya and cuba and others. under their deem with the feds, the bank will pay the record fine, change some policies, but not one bank employee will ever face criminal prosecution. the prosecutors say department of justice officials wanted to bring criminal charges but decided not to not because of a lack evidence but because it would put the future of the largest banks at risk. think of that. not because they did
they can look at legal remedies and look to the next election >>shepard: that is live from lansing. not one worker from europe's biggest bank, hsbc, will far us a criminal charge after they were accuses of failing to guard against terrorists, tax cheat and drug cartels but agreed to pay a record $1.9 billion fine to settle the case. that probably won't hurt this bank at all. last quarter, they reported $2.5 billion in net profit. according to the treasury, the failure to police...
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reporter kristen dahm from the lansing state journal joins us. what can we expect? >> right now things are a little bit tempered after the news of yesterday, but things are going to heat up again come tuesday when it looks like this legislation will clear the legislature for the foreseeable future. >> greta: is this something that's been battled about and discussed, or has this come up new in the state of michigan? was this part of the governor'ss agenda? >> no, it was not. he said for two years it would not be part of his agenda. since the elections in november, issues like right to work have kind of reader their yo reared . since it's on the table for discussion, he wants to be a leader. however, some critics would say he's gone back on his word. >> greta: we know how republicans feel about it, and we know how the democrats feel about it in the state legislature. we no know how the union members feel about it. i'm curious about the rank-and-file union members in michigan or the people in michigan, what are they thinking or saying about this battle? >> we've heard
reporter kristen dahm from the lansing state journal joins us. what can we expect? >> right now things are a little bit tempered after the news of yesterday, but things are going to heat up again come tuesday when it looks like this legislation will clear the legislature for the foreseeable future. >> greta: is this something that's been battled about and discussed, or has this come up new in the state of michigan? was this part of the governor'ss agenda? >> no, it was not. he...
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. >> shepard: mike tobin live for us tonight in lansing michigan. thanks. a stunning admission from one of the biggest banks in the world. the bigs at hsbc admit that they laundered money for drug cartels. they allowed forbidden transactions with countries including libya and iran. but nobody is going to prison. instead the bank executives are just saying we are sorry and paying a fine. the justice department announced agreement with hsbc the biggest bank in all of europe. as part of of the deal hsbc agrees to pay $1.9 billion in fines. a lot of money certainly. but for this bank it's the equivalent of roughly seven weeks of profits. in exchange, these are among the charges that will now disappear. laundering more than $880 million in drug money. and allowing $660 million in prohibited transactions from countries including libya, cuba, burma, sudan and iran. federal prosecutors say the bankers didn't just look the other way, they actually went a step further. one occasion hsbc instructed a bank in iran on how to format payment messages so that the transacti
. >> shepard: mike tobin live for us tonight in lansing michigan. thanks. a stunning admission from one of the biggest banks in the world. the bigs at hsbc admit that they laundered money for drug cartels. they allowed forbidden transactions with countries including libya and iran. but nobody is going to prison. instead the bank executives are just saying we are sorry and paying a fine. the justice department announced agreement with hsbc the biggest bank in all of europe. as part of of...
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. >> nbc is live from lansing, michigan, and from detroit i'm joined by michigan democratic congressman gary peters. ron, i'm going to start with you. describe the scene for us there and what's at stake. >> reporter: good day to you. it just started snowing within the past few minutes. these folks are braving very cold temperatures here but they're very fired up about this legislation being pushed through the state house today. as you have reported it will turn michigan into a right to work state. republican governor rick schneider and other supporters of this legislation says it actually makes michigan more attractive for businesses around the country who may be considering relocating their businesses to michigan. workers are the ones you see behind me, several thousand hearsay this is nothing but an attempt to try to break the back of unions in a state where ally unions are synonymous with michigan. we've spoken to a number of workers this morning who say this was a backhanded way for the governor and republican toss get something away from democrats and working class people of this s
. >> nbc is live from lansing, michigan, and from detroit i'm joined by michigan democratic congressman gary peters. ron, i'm going to start with you. describe the scene for us there and what's at stake. >> reporter: good day to you. it just started snowing within the past few minutes. these folks are braving very cold temperatures here but they're very fired up about this legislation being pushed through the state house today. as you have reported it will turn michigan into a right...
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for the top story, reaction, joining us from washington, marjorie, a democratic strategist and here in the studio, democrat and fox news analyst, kirsten powers. so the lansing thing, i don't think this is isolated and the networks knew about it because it was on every web site in the world. and they chose not to bring it to their viewers. >> yeah. >> bill: why do you think? >> i can't speak for them, but i certainly can say whenever there was a tea party rally and they found one sign out of 500 people that was racist, then they would use that to show that the entire movement was racist. so it seems odd in this situation that they would ignore a story that makes the ruins not look very good and in the clips you showed, talk being how there is a lot of anger and that seems to be a good example of anger. >> bill: were you ever a reporter? >> huh-uh. >> bill: i was a reporter for many, many years. i'll tell you, video like this, golden. golden. stuff like this, you would have to put it in your package. >> yeah. >> bill: yet all three, marjorie, all three leave it out. can you -- do you ha
for the top story, reaction, joining us from washington, marjorie, a democratic strategist and here in the studio, democrat and fox news analyst, kirsten powers. so the lansing thing, i don't think this is isolated and the networks knew about it because it was on every web site in the world. and they chose not to bring it to their viewers. >> yeah. >> bill: why do you think? >> i can't speak for them, but i certainly can say whenever there was a tea party rally and they found...
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. >> ron mott right in the middle of all of it out there in lansing, and joining me now from inside the statehouse, of course, the michigan governor rick snyder. governor snyder, thank you very much for joining us. tell me why now and why this issue, why take this on? this is not what you campaigned on. >> no. i appreciate that, andrea. it really goes back to last summertime. the labor movement, labor leaders were pushing forward something called proposal 2. they were doing signatures to put on it the ballot, which would have been a massive overreach into michigan's constitution regarding collective bargaining. i believe in collective bargaining, but this was way over the top, and i asked him not to go forward, and the reasons i said is you are going to start a very divisive discussion regarding collective bargaining first, but it also will get into right to work. it will create a big stir about right to work in addition to collective bargaining. the voters spoke in november and dramatically voted down proposal two, but then this right to work discussion just continued to escalate and w
. >> ron mott right in the middle of all of it out there in lansing, and joining me now from inside the statehouse, of course, the michigan governor rick snyder. governor snyder, thank you very much for joining us. tell me why now and why this issue, why take this on? this is not what you campaigned on. >> no. i appreciate that, andrea. it really goes back to last summertime. the labor movement, labor leaders were pushing forward something called proposal 2. they were doing...
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poppy is on the scene for us in lansing michigan. >>> here in washington, everyone's eyes are on the calendar. this friday, the house of representatives is supposed to break for the holidays. christmas is exactly two weeks from today. so when are we going to get a deal on taxes and spending cuts? our senior congressional correspondent dana bash is up on capitol hill. what are you hearing, dana? >> reporter: the senate majority leader who told me he's one of the biggest pessimists says he thinks it's going to be very difficult to get a deal done by christmas. meanwhile, republicans don't have a lot of opposition to raising the tax rates tried a different tactic today. a new coordinated message from republicans searching for more secure political footing. mr. president, show us your cuts. >> where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow-walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> nobody should trust democrats to put a dime until real deficit reductions. >> reporter: to better understand the gop positioning, remember what any reduct
poppy is on the scene for us in lansing michigan. >>> here in washington, everyone's eyes are on the calendar. this friday, the house of representatives is supposed to break for the holidays. christmas is exactly two weeks from today. so when are we going to get a deal on taxes and spending cuts? our senior congressional correspondent dana bash is up on capitol hill. what are you hearing, dana? >> reporter: the senate majority leader who told me he's one of the biggest pessimists...
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. >>> want to take you to lansing, michigan. this video shot a few moments ago where the state legislature is considering making michigan the 24th right to work state. basically restricting unions in what is obviously a stronghold of organized labor. this is the scene outside the capitol which has already been closed because it was filled to capacity. an estimated 10,000 people demonstrating outside where it's about 25 degrees. also several school districts in michigan have been closed as the teachers there have gone to lansing to join the rallies. quite a scene today in michigan. >>> meantime, time for a capital markets op-ed. gary, we mentioned madoff. it's hard to believe it's been four years. >> as a matter of fact, david and i were just talking about it offset. it was 3:00 four years ago today. i got a phone call. you're not going to believe this. they finally got madoff. faber and i had been chatting about it probably for close to a decade. remember, within the industry, the numbers, the performance, this was something tha
. >>> want to take you to lansing, michigan. this video shot a few moments ago where the state legislature is considering making michigan the 24th right to work state. basically restricting unions in what is obviously a stronghold of organized labor. this is the scene outside the capitol which has already been closed because it was filled to capacity. an estimated 10,000 people demonstrating outside where it's about 25 degrees. also several school districts in michigan have been closed...
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terry from langs told me that she unexpectedly -- terry from lansing told me that she unexpectedly lost her job when the company went out of business and has had to struggle through foreclosure, like too many families, and use their 401(k), her roth i.r.a. and savings to get by. and she writes, "i am part of the baby boomer generation, and now i live paycheck to paycheck, just barely surviving." $2,200 makes a huge difference to her. zelda from washinaw writes, "that $2,200, that's our groceries for four months." four months of groceries for zelda's family. it's what we're talking about. if the senate bill does not get passed by the house. carol from michigan writes, "i'm a retired grandmother getting a state pension and social security. i also have three teenage grandchildren living with me." not a new story for many, many people. three teenage grandchildren living with me. "any increase in anything might break me," she says. thomas from grand rapids write writes -- quote -- "i will most likely have to find a job to make ends meet." so much for being retired. and, again, so many famili
terry from langs told me that she unexpectedly -- terry from lansing told me that she unexpectedly lost her job when the company went out of business and has had to struggle through foreclosure, like too many families, and use their 401(k), her roth i.r.a. and savings to get by. and she writes, "i am part of the baby boomer generation, and now i live paycheck to paycheck, just barely surviving." $2,200 makes a huge difference to her. zelda from washinaw writes, "that $2,200,...
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it will impact workers who commute from my state of ohio and indiana. this is about more than just one state. in fact, this is a national issue. not a state rights issue at all. this union busting bill is the direct result of weak federal legislation and i'm talking about section 14-b of the taft-hartley act which weakened the rights of labor. . congress should overturn that part of the law and should recognize the labor rights of every american citizen. that is why i joined a number of my colleagues in introducing legislation, h.r. 2775, that would do just that. we should not have individual states competing against each other in a race to the bottom. haven't we seen enough of that? we need to support and build the american middle class by creating good jobs, good-paying jobs and secure benefits through secure jobs. i stand with the workers of michigan and am proud to do so. thank you, mr. speaker. i yield back my remaining time. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to clause 12-a of rule 1, the chair declares the house in recess until is is he said that
it will impact workers who commute from my state of ohio and indiana. this is about more than just one state. in fact, this is a national issue. not a state rights issue at all. this union busting bill is the direct result of weak federal legislation and i'm talking about section 14-b of the taft-hartley act which weakened the rights of labor. . congress should overturn that part of the law and should recognize the labor rights of every american citizen. that is why i joined a number of my...